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*****1Wildcowgirl

on: July 27, 2005, 10:17:43 PM Up and Coming Sires

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In every ones own opinion. Who do you guys think are the next up anc coming barrel sires?  Now that some of the old timers are passing on, who is going to carry on the "genes".  Will it be off spring of some of the greats or will a new great be born?  Also what makes a good barrel sire?

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Reply #1 on: July 27, 2005, 10:55:39 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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I think luck makes a good barrel horse sire.  If one of the hot trainers start winning on a certain line then everyone thinks they want to try one.  It is the sheer numbers that make them.  I think On the Money Red was an excellant sire, he had a lot of horses that were trained by Kim Landry but sired a remarkable amount of winners by a variety of other trainers.  Dash Ta Fame is another one that is on a hot streak but all the horses being tried are really for the most part ex racehorses.  His first crop of "bred to be barrel horses" should be coming on fairly soon.  This is really a good question because in this segment I have seen horses of all types really make it as barrel horses.  I prefer the older ranch types with a shot or racing be it old time or newer but then that is exactly the same type that makes a good pleasure horse.  Some studs just have more offspring and if one happens to hit is big then they should have a better chance of making the next hot sire.  Have a better chance if there is 35 3yr olds to try instead of a horse that only has 2 three year olds available.  Guess I really don't have an opinion on this one other than I hope that my colt will end up siring a few performance babies of his own but then I don't care if they end up just being barrel horses as long as they get a show record.  I will be interested in seeing what a lot of the others think.   It takes brains as well as speed to make a barrel horse.

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Reply #2 on: July 27, 2005, 11:08:26 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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I'm interested in finding out too.  It seems like so many of the old timers are gone now, so who will be the next say Peppy San Bager,Doc Bar, Dash for Cash, or some of the others.  When we are no longer around who will be the popular names that everyone wants?!

I think everyone wants there stud to make a mark!  Poor Ziggy has had some nasty luck, but things will turn around for him, I can feel it!

Having colts who have a show record is great, but a sire can also sire colts with out a show record and be just as great of a horse.

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Reply #3 on: July 27, 2005, 11:26:14 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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The big problem is that without a show record how does anyone know your horse?  Except for the people around you, they never get the reputation.  There are a lot of ranch studs that are good but only known to the neighbors that all work together, which is how Sun Frost got really started.

Hard for me to compare anything with the Peppy San Badger line considering he had over 2,000 foals.  That is way more than most horses ever will.  Dash for Cash is not really a hot sire, some of his sons are hotter.  BTW Dash for Cash is about the only Rocket Wrangler horse that I have ever liked.  Dash for Cash also sired cutters as well as race horses but they have a tendancy to be small and have some club footed babies. 

I agree everyone wants their stud (if they have one) to be a good sire.  I am more realistic than that.  I had an old stud here a long time ago.  Win Diamond Win, just about all his foals that were started on the barrels ended up being good ones, either point earners or made money at the open shows. 

I am more the type that tries to find the lines in a stud that seem to breed a certain way then I go for the broodmares.  I myself think the mare is 70% of what you will get.  If you find a sire line that breeds true then cross that on the mares you know and like.  Firewater Flit is a good stud but his mother Slash J Harletta had many many good babies and the old Flit mare produced so many top horses that I really believe you could have bred her to a jackass and got a good un.   I picked Ziggy to compliment my mares and am going from there.  Studs get all the play because of the sheer numbers.   bounce

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Reply #4 on: July 27, 2005, 11:41:24 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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Dash for Cash is not really a hot sire
  He may not be hot, but I think alot of people know his name.  When you hear dash for cash I think alot of people autimaticaly think of barrel racing, or racing.

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The big problem is that without a show record how does anyone know your horse?  Except for the people around you, they never get the reputation. 
That is VERY true! smile   Advertising has alot to do with making a stud.  Just like me, I would do a search on the internet for studs, or look in magazines.  Peopl won't know about your stud unless you get his name out there.

Man it's rough being a stud! Grin

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Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 11:43:58 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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it really depends on how heavily the stallion is campaigned, what they bred him to and if the foals are being shown as well.. also helps where ths stallion is standing.

as for being a good barrel sire. the bloodline crosses when breeding mares.. sheer luck and passing on heart,try and determination..

 really good question!! wave
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Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 11:57:12 PM Re: Up and Coming Sires

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Not gonna do any guessing or name droping Jettin?Huh Wink Grin

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Reply #7 on: July 28, 2005, 12:05:00 AM up and coming sires

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i have to admit i have my very biased favorites...lol...

Sun Frost { Will}
Easy Jet {Jet}
Alamitos Bar {Moon,Jet}
Hempen {Moon}
LadyBugs Moon,Jets PayDay{Jet}
Otoe {Moon}
Depth Charge{All}
PAcific BAiley {Will}
lol!!! Grin


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